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CATEGORY: QUESTIONS - NOT STATING ANYTHING

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VALIDATING THE QUESTION ON SALVATION TO...

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DESIRE TO LOOK INTO

"Which things the angels desire to look into" (1 Pet 1:12).

Could be that when salvation came to men, the angels, this time fallen ones, desire to not only look into, but see if they too could be redeemed - seeing that fallen man was. However, that is far fetched because most or all in our churches come to kill, steal and destroy - 2 Cor 11:15.

THEY AMONGST US

"Then Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, who father and mother we know? How is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven" (John 6:47).

This is the same thing with fallen angels (or even blues), when I tell you they are amongst you as relatives, co-workers, boss, friends and acquaintances, you fall in the same error of these Jews. Could they see the Spirit going into Mary and being born? Can you see the fallen ones being birthed as humans though before you as male and females? As there was no difference with people not seeing Jesus other than a man all his life….so you can't see that this or that person is a fallen angel in flesh. To identify accurately takes the spirit of the Lord; not even me have come near to master that. Even worst, Jesus should have been more identifiable because he was the very God. How much more these that constantly conceal their identity.

WHAT JESUS CAME TO DO AND FALLEN ONES

Jesus didn't necessarily said he come to save humans only, but that which was lost (__). We don't know how that is comprise. Fallen Angels are lost too. However, if such is solved, "one law shall be to him that is homeborn [HUMANS] and unto the stranger that [ANGELS] sojourneth among you"(Exodus 12:49); in essence, same Christendom. Though being zealous, I have to also remember and caution myself of 2 Chron 19:2, "And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD."

JUDGING ANGELS, CAUSE TO INVESTIGATE SALVATION

When asked who gave you the right or authority to investigate salvation for the fallen ones, especially if such a thing is verified. Quickly rebuke by saying

"Know ye not that we shall judge angels" (1 Cor 6:3)?

In other words, you simply are ignorant of the authority, wisdom and grace that is bestowed upon us saints. If we are higher than all beings, being second to God (Heb 1:4 with Heb 2:11 and James 1:18), what then is not left for us to investigatively govern. If we are to judge them and they are not immediately cast into the lake of fire, it means levels of clemency is given unto them. Could that level of clemency reach to salvation? If not, why, if they are given any clemency at all? Why the judgment, why not just destroy them at the same time when satan is cast into the lake of fire?

Why can't I preach to them, if prophets like Isaiah (Isa 14:101-4) and Ezekiel (Eze 28:12-18) prophesied to them openly as they are. I Corinthians 6:3 goes to show that we saints lack the knowledge of who we are and what we can do - in a sense, we are "gods" (Ps 82:5-7, John 10:34) by being Sons of God (John 10:36, 1 John 3:2).

The question God poses is, is my " 'hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear' (Isa 59:1)? But why? After what they have done, being the first beings "speaking...revolt" (Isa 59:13). Bring your strong argument."

*Isaiah 59 doesn't contextually refer to angels, but Israel.

"HIGHER THAN ANGELS"

I had argued that born again believers are higher than angels, which scripturally is correct. But then thoughts and scriptures to be written in D.A suggest that angels can be saved through Christ, that is those that fell, corrupted themselves in flesh and now repentant want to return to God. Must verify! Then if that be the case how can born again believers be higher than all angels if angels are to be in the born again bunch - church of the first born. Then it would compute that all those redeemed by Christ (those in flesh) are higher than all beings. This poses a paradox because fallen ones knowing this would want to capitalize on this and especially flaunt it in the face of the angels in heaven to say, "I rebel did wickedly and now I'm greater than you, ha!" That's the reason for this for all beings, "no man cometh to God except the spirit pulls them." And those redeem are far from this attitude. If per say this was the attitude of some, those with it and avarice to cash in on this wont be allowed to believe, but only those who quietly realize their pitfall and repentantly want to come back to God. God can cause one being not to believe or to believe based on their heart and his foreknowledge. Like how you have humans who don't believe because "God knows how to reserve the unjust until the Day of Judgment to be punished." Normally the unjust would be led to believe all is well, this is foolish and I just don't see it. Not because they cannot but because God did. Just like how he hardened Pharaoh's heart and Pharaoh think it was him not wanting to let the people go. Moreover, the scripture did say this when we make it, "These are they which came out of great tribulation" (Rev 7:14). Not to mention in God's Kingdom the greater serves the lesser. If fallen angels can be saved they are not exempt from this and are persecuted by their fellow angels as well, namely satan and his brethrens, and thus they too would suffer great tribulation.

You could like the fallen angels returning to heaven as the story of the prodigal son. We are different because we are sons after their scenario. Hence, they'll be returning to their former prominence but we to Christ sonship. Nevertheless, like the prodigal son returning home he was exalted in adoration, etc, than his brother who remained. Another thing that blow this last paragraph out is that we might be like them in terms of sons, that we didn't first become sons at being born again, but Adam was made a son and lost it and hence all of us lost it and being born again would be regaining it; hence, both are sons which comprise the fallen race - fallen human sons and fallen angel sons - and hence all would be redeemed sons, firstborns, made higher than the heavens.