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OTHNIEL AND STUDENT MANIFESTO FOLLOW UP
I had said this in Demonology Revealed, being biblically zealous and adamant, as I always will strive to be:
The spirits knew there is a time of torment for them - "torment us before the time." In other words, these are "reserved the blackness of darkness forever." Reserve means that it was built for them and they cannot escape it, only humans can be going to hell today, repent tomorrow and change their eternal residence to glory. Jesus himself said that this "everlasting fire, [was] prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matt 25:41). The fallen ones are reserved and they are in your church to get some permanent house guests through deception; remember, "the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Rev 20:10).
Then I would seem to contradict myself by saying this in the Student Manifesto (1);
I've already written literature concerning their dealings on earth and possible investigation of any redemption (Proverbs 18:1); taking in many variables I did not previously know, and why this section is even written…On the other side, they could be of benefit, even more so than humans, if they function as human academic educators under the fear of God, being also bound here (Rev 12:13-17); especially if there is a possible redemption…However, those who are west minded might not be fully categories as "*satan and his angels" - probably another reason for Part 1, Section 14, Paragraph 3, Sentence 1 [- that's the first line above].
Before the Gentiles were admitted or grafted into the common wealth of Israel by Jesus Christ, all Jews knew and attest that all Gentiles were dog and will go to damnation. Even Peter was amaze when he saw this for himself, "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost" (Acts 10:44-45). In other words, what was formerly condemned by the Holy people, apple of God's eye, is now saved; even further, apart of Israel. The implications thus far seems to be saying devils are saved or can be saved. Too soon of a conclusion is made, because I said no such thing as yet, but rather, a "possible investigation." Investigation because I've experience many interactions and revelation concerning fallen angels that suggests some things to me, even empathy. At the moment I can name to you several fallen angels in flesh amongst us, around me and around you; though it is not wise, at present, to do so. Remember I had also said in Demonology Revealed, " these devils dread going to the place of torment before their time, because I often cast out demons strait to the abyss or torment permanently; as against Jesus who had mercy on some by sending them into the pigs." In other words, my biblical zeal concerning their destruction and annihilation is greater than Christ's. However, like Christ, I kind of now see why he probably sighted then honored the devils' requests. He also knowing that the pigs would drown and the spirits would probably be free to roam again. Think about it, it's after coming to earth as a human and look around and probably said within, "look at my glorious cherubim, arch angels, ministering spirits, morning stars on earth as terrorists to people and a danger to themselves. But at last, justice demands satisfaction." To me there were a deterrent to human progression, the cause of my sins, Adam's fall and why I have to live in this misery called fallen earth. But like the Apostle Paul sudden change of mind towards the Christian persecution, I have been touched with a little of God's mercy to think different. Not necessarily stop casting out demons, but thinking, could they be saved, could I be the one to let this be known.
Shockingly, I've never heard any other preacher with this being said, for at last, this would be deemed damned heresy; I know I would deem it such. But I have given the idea and toggled with scripture and knowledge in my mind that suggest something towards their behalf and my life; unfortunately, their ability to read minds would have this known by them already and if looking for a way out, this would give some sort of hope. Nevertheless, I attest to no such things publicly or even said them, but await revelation from God. If I'm to effect such a thing widely, then it means something like this would follow:
Moses gave salvation to Jewish race by the law, Yahoshua or Jesus gave salvation to the Gentiles and ratified it with the Jews and I would do the same with the fallen ones.
This seems like a great big laugh and joke to me and anyone reading my private writings, that is until I refreshed myself with a book I've written called "What is his name?" One exerts read,
It is undisputable that the name of Christ was Y'shua [Yahoshua]. Many sources verify this and it can be obviously traced, seeing it was a common name that was made overtly famous by Christ. So Joshua, Jeshua and Jehoshua is the same name from the Old English, written correctly today as Yahoshua; Yahoshua being first, and Yashua a shorten form. Surprisingly, this name was first created by Moses and according to how it is structured, it could not exist before Moses. In other words, Joshua, Son of Nun and servant of Moses was the first person in scripture to have this name (Ex 17:9).This is the reason it was first created by Moses:
1. Joshua's actual name was Oshea pronounced O-shay-ah or O-shu-ah 2. This name means deliverer or savior 3. It is then recorded that Moses called him Jehoshua (Num 13:16), pronounced Jeh-o-shu-ah 4. The "Je" as in Jehovah is actually "Yah," as seen in Yahovah dealt with previously 5. So we have the name really pronounced as Yahoshua 6. So what Moses did was combine the name revealed to him, "Yah", with Oshea. 7. Thus the name no longer means savior but 'Yah is salvation' or 'Yahovah Savior'
Therefore, Moses not only was the first one to receive God's name, but also the first one to receive the savior's name. This wasn't arbitrarily done. It was aptly fit to the man who should succeed him. As the Messiah was the one who would succeed Moses dispensation. That is, Moses brought in the Law and Yahoshua the Messiah brought in Grace; "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ [Yahoshua]" (John 1:17). So this incident was of divine ordination by God to tell the end from the beginning.
What is surprising is that the man that succeeds Yahoshua, or the Joshua of Moses, was a man called Othniel (Judges 3:9). My name is Oneil. In other words, the order followed,
Moses, Yahoshua and Othniel.
And concerning the dispensational rhetoric above, that would read:
Moses = Salvation through the Law to the Jews Yahoshua = Salvation through Grace to the Jews and Gentiles Othniel = Same salvation through Grace to the Jews, Gentiles and Fallen ones
I then doubted because though the name is similar to mines and my though pattern is stirred to investigate if these fallen ones can be saved, especially seeing that I inadvertently interact with them (you too but you don't know the person is a fallen angel in flesh) it is still not the same. But then I looked right back at the book "What is his name?" I saw something startling, the same methodology that is used in the abbreviated shorten form of Yahoshua could follow with Othniel; even further, purposely done so throughout history to break this revelation from being had. Notice,
Someone said, "The name Yahushua was then shortened for everyday use, the same way Barbara is often shortened to Barb, and Yahushua was known by those around him as Y'shua." In truth and in fact, the name should be pronounced Yah-o-sh-uah but the Hebrews took out the 'ho' sound later on. By the method of how this is done, in no way suggest that Yashua is an abbreviated form. But rather, a shorten way of saying the name. It was first recorded this way, Ya-shu-ah, in the book of 1 Chronicles under "Jeshua.". They probably did it to make it flow, like having silent letters. Now we come to the "Y" apostrophe "shua" (written as Y'shua), there is no evidence to say that this was ever done in the original language.
We have to be careful in saying there was an abbreviated form, because this could be an infiltration to later say the savior's name was translated from an abbreviated form or a symbol; much like the scenario with the Tetragrammaton. It is quite doubtful that the savior's name was ever written in an abbreviated form in the original, like how Y'shua is written in English. This (Y'shua) seems like an English invention. Putting the apostrophe (') between 'Y' and 'shua' is to say something is to be there, so you can fill it in when saying or writing it. It is normally known and therefore much problem does not arise. However, it is best to write out the name in full as all can grasp the true pronunciation rather than injecting what they deem best - 'aho' or 'eh' or 'ah'.
Though Barbara can be written as barb, barb is not her name and cannot be used on official documents.
In other words, the same thing could have been done to Othniel. That's why you have the name being spelt O'neal, O'neil, Oneal, Oniel, Oneil, Neil, etc. The most traditional of those forms is O'neil or O'niel, which the rest were probably derived from and even the meaning dwindled to just champion. As seen above, the apostrophe means that something is missing and should be there. According to what we have seen thus far what would be missing from there. The "th" of course, hence O'neil is an abbreviated shorten form of Othniel. Making my name come from the word Othniel rather than from the Scottish version Neil (champion), as previously alluded to. Like Oshea (meaning savior) that turned into Yahoshua, why wasn't Othniel turned into Yahothniel? I then looked in the Strong's numbers for the meaning of Othniel and it means, "force of God;" so God is already mentioned in the meaning, though not by his name Yah. Strong said,
Othniel - From the same as 6273 and 410; force of God. I then looked up 6271 and 410, they read:
Othni or 6273 - unused root meaning to force.
El or 410 - Strength, especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity):- God…
Therefore, Othniel is a combination of the root "Othni", meaning to force and "El", meaning God. Though El is not God's name but a reference to him, it was then used, "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many). But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him…by whom are all things, and we by him" (1 Cor 8:5-6). For instance, angels had that God appellation in their names - Michael, Gabriel, etc. Nevertheless, putting Yah before my name wouldn't hurt (Yahothniel), as I previously intended to do, but under the notion that Oneil only meant champion, rather than the "force of God." Yahothniel would then mean "the force of Yah," same thing but with God's name in it. Othniel can also be written Othneil, because the pronunciation is preserved, as seen in the book "What Is His Name" concerning transliteration. Thus they are literally the same word and name; so goes Oneil and Oniel. Also, similar to how Yahoshua ended up Joshua in English (remember J=Y in English as first), Othniel ended up as Oniel; or even Niel (or Neil). Also, Easton Bible Dictionary also has Othniel to mean "Lion of God," which in a sense still ascribe to being a "Force of God."
I'm now thinking ________________________. Yep that's right, I don't know what to think and the many implications that is flooding my mind.
THE BOOK OF JUDGES
Judges gave only a brief description of Othniel, though not every aspect of every person is document in scriptures, especially when inclusion is based on the selection of the copyists and scribes. Judges 1-2 gave the opening thesis for the book, a general outline of what happen after Joshua throughout the reign of the Judges. That they would rebel, God would raise up a deliver, the deliver dies, then that process start over again (Note that the same process happened with the Kings). Then Judges 3 began from the first Judge and the detail nature of the opening thesis. Othniel was near to Joshua and probably saw the miracles, for he is Caleb's younger brother, the same Caleb that walked with Joshua. This also shows that chapter 1-2 are opening thesis. The delivers after Joshua are as follows:
| Othniel. Judges 3:9-10 Ehud. Judges 3:15 Shamgar. Judges 3:31 Deborah. Judges 4:4 | Gideon. Judges 6:11 Abimelech. Judges 9:6 Tola. Judges 10:1 Jair. Judges 10:3 | Jephthah. Judges 11:1 Ibzan. Judges 12:8 Elon. Judges 12:11 Abdon. Judges 12:13 | Samson. Judges 13:24; 16:31 Eli. 1Sa 4:18 Samuel. 1Sa 7:6,15-17 |
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LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH
"Othniel, He is the only judge mentioned connected with the tribe of Judah. Under him the land had rest forty years" (Easton). "Furnished to Israel the first judge" (Torrey's Topical Text). The only Judge who was from the Kingly line of Kings, First David to Jesus.
Also, Easton Bible Dictionary also has Othniel to mean "Lion of God," which in a sense still ascribe to being a "Force of God." If the lion of God and only Judge and first connected with Judah would be the First Lion of the tribe of Judah, though not a king but the third ruler after Jewry began. The real lion of the tribe of Judah was David, but Christ is also said to be the Lion of the tribe of Judah and he was before David - hence the real lion. But only David was a real earthly king, Though Christ is the King of Kings. So Othniel, 3rd after Moses could be considered a King as I said Moses was a King or how God intended his Kings to be (Mark 10:42). But he was not from Judah and neither was Joshua, and so Othniel would be the first King of Judah or the First Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Next would be David, for Saul was of Benjamin. Then the epitome of that would be Christ. And if so, a manifestation of that epitome and last Lion of the Tribe of Judah, would be present day Othniel, namesake of the first and name also meaning Lion of God; with that same power to prevail (force) as all the lions have. Notice the none connection of the "Lions," The first Lion wasn't a King King but a Judge. The Second was a King King, the most outstanding of the earthly Kings. The third wasn't a King King by earthly inheritance but of Messiah-hood. The fourth is not a King King by inheritance either, or by lineage of a literal tribe of Judah (though those begotten by Christ are his offspring and hence of his tribe) but of Promise.
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TRIBE OF JUDAH SPEAKING OF CHRIST
Gen 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee. Gen 49:9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? Gen 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. Gen 49:11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: Gen 49:12 His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.
THE EPITOMY IS CHRIST
"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof"(Rev 5:5).
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SON OF OTHNIEL
"Hathath, terror, son of Othniel (1Ch 4:13)" (Easton Bible Dictionary). Don't see nothing in that, except the repetition of "hath" in the old English. Which would lead me think of two, twins or just two of the same thing. However, it is not pronounce that way in the Hebrew, but as "Chathath" or "Khath-ath," though hath-hath is still present.
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MOTHER AND FATHER OF OTHNIEL
Kenaz (ken farm) is his father, a hunter and chief of (One of the sons of Eliphaz, the son of Esau. He became the chief of an Edomitish (red) tribe). He was an Edomite,not necessarily an Israelite. He nor Othniel doesn't seem to be related to the Caleb, of Joshua, for Othniel has a different father and so does Kenaz. How younger brother comes in might be another Caleb or Kenaz might not the same Kenaz of Eliphaz, yet strong records Kenaz as an Edomite. His mother was Ophrah (of ra) meaning a female buck or a yellowish brown fawn (fawn also mean behave servilely). The way how 1Ch 4:13-14 is recorded show that she was his mother, being the mother of Seraiah, brother of Othniel. Possibly her father was a Israelite, as Strong puts him as and dwelt in the Edomite areas as some Israelites did, most notably the Tribe of Judah. Hence, Othniel Judah line could have come from his mother through her father. Or a relation to Caleb,of Joshua, whom the scripture says is of the Tribe of Judah (Num 13:6).
After that heart wrenching research I realize that it already stated that he was of the tribe of Judah, here, "1 Ch 4:1 The sons of Judah;" the first part of the Chapter was listing the genealogy of the Tribe of Judah, and we know Caleb was and Othniel reference came before his in that chapter (Num 13:6), so Othniel is definitely of the tribe of Judah, meaning praise.
